Mortality Rates

 

Rates are estimates compiled by World Health Organizations researchers (US Rates are totals, not children only, are noted in red color, and are provided by the CDC). You can click on any number reported here to go to the source of the information. If you would like to lend a hand with this effort, please e-mail me at vaccinetimes@gmail.com

Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Rotavirus
Diphteria
Tetanus
Pertussis
Influenza type b
Polio
Influenza (Seasonal)
Influenza(H1N1)
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Meningococcal
Pneumococcal
Varicella (Chickenpox)


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  77 Responses to “Mortality Rates”

  1. Naturally, the majority of these deaths are in impoverished countries where malnutrition is rife, rather than the US or other developed countries with higher levels of nutrition and sanitation. To wit, only 4% of the estimated 10 million deaths of children under 5 was attributable to measles. Interestingly the US is ranked 33rd for infant mortality rate, despite vaccines being mandated, with twice the mortality rate of the tropical country Singapore despite having a more aggressive vaccination schedule. My child is vaccinated against Hep B [despite neither of us being a carrier], Tetanus, Polio, HiB, diptheria, and pertussis (the only disease she is really at risk of at this age). She did not receive a Hep B vaccine until two months and there is no way I am giving her the flu or MMR vaccine prior to school age. It is much more prudent to vaccinate my wife and I to the best of our ability (though the inactive flu vaccine is at best 65% effective and we have already had mumps and after about four attempts my wife still does not show antibodies for rubella).

    • Yes, but let us keep in mind that even in developped countries measles still kills 1-2 out of every 1,000 that get the disease. Good nutrition and good medical care do not prevent infectious disease from spreading, although for some diseases good hygine may reduce the spread, but not at the level that vaccines can.

      4% might sound little, but 4% of 10 million is 400,000 dead kids, 360,000+ of whom could have been alive had they had access to the MMR vaccine. I think saving those lives is worth pursuing.

      I am sorry to hear that you have decided not to protect your daughter against the flu or MMR until much later, but that is your decision to make.

      • I don’t condemn all vaccines. I condemn over-vaccination and undue co-dependence with pharmaceutical companies. The fact is vitamin D3 by itself has proven to kill many viruses, including the H1N1, so that would suggest good nutrition and medical care DO prevent infectious diseases from spreading. Rather than get into the problems of the World Health Organization (which is Rockefeller funded and created), I would recommend you just google the term “agenda 21.” It is 40 chapters long (though unpublished for public perusal) and full of all kinds of reasons that vaccinations are now using live viruses to the detriment of our species. Then you’ll have a clearer picture of why so many “statistics” are being promoted without any scientific backing. And by the way, our own CDC is not independent of this influence by any means.

        • The fact is vitamin D3 by itself has proven to kill many viruses, including the H1N1, so that would suggest good nutrition and medical care DO prevent infectious diseases from spreading.

          It is expected that when you make a claim that you support it with real scientific literature. We will assume that all of your claims have been pulled out of thin air unless properly documented. Do not expect us to “google it.”

          • Chris, I don’t expect you to do anything but sit like a lump and criticize every source I’ve sent your way. That’s all you’ve done so far, and I have better things to do with my time than indulge you.

          • Well you haven’t managed to send any sources which aren’t either utter nonsense or completely misinterpreted by you his way so what else is there for him to do.

            Oh I know, you just want everyone to blindly agree with whatever it is you believe.

          • Mr. Churchman, I have looked at your sources and they are lacking in quality, clarity and basic scholarship.

            I suggest you familiarize yourself with http://www.PubMed.gov and actually find the several real papers I have provided as examples of real evidence.

            Google is not a sufficient method for investigating real science, not even scholar.google. It often finds websites that are pure dreck. Your sources indicate that you lack the education to tell the difference between what is real science and what is not.

            But that can be corrected. I have taken courses at the local community college, and some classes at the university as time and funds permit (now paying college tuition for three kids!). Not only did I learn lots, but it was enjoyable to attend classes with a the wide range of ages and types of people at the community college. I encourage you to find the time to take at least one class per year with an open mind.

          • Oh yeah…the MMR vaccine. Silly me. How could I forget:

            http://www.thinktwice.com/mmr.htm

            How is the MMR vaccine made? (2011)
            According to the U.S. manufacturer, Merck & Company, Inc., the current MMR vaccine — MMR-II — contains attenuated live measles and mumps viruses propagated in chick embryo cell culture, plus “the Wistar RA 27/3 strain of live attenuated rubella virus propagated in WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts.”(1) Principal studies published in the American Journal of Diseases of Children and the American Journal of Epidemiology, reveal that the rubella strain was cultured from an aborted human fetus.(2,3) In addition, the growth medium for the three live viruses that are needed to produce the MMR vaccine is a buffered salt solution “supplemented with fetal bovine serum.”(4) Other ingredients include sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, recombinant human albumin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin stabilizer, and approximately 25 mcg of neomycin (an antibiotic).(5) The MMR vaccine does not contain a preservative. In fact, according to the FDA, MMR-II never contained thimerosal, a potentially dangerous chemical used in some vaccines.(6) However, trace amounts of mercury were detected in an earlier MMR formulation.(7)

            Is it safe?……..NAAAHHH!

            “The drug company that makes the MMR vaccine publishes an extensive list of warnings, contraindications, and adverse reactions associated with this triple shot. These may be found in the vaccine package insert available from any doctor giving MMR, and in the Physician’s Desk Reference (PDR) at the library.”

            This was written just 2 weeks ago:

            http://www.bolenreport.com/Geier/UN%20Mercury2.htm

            “Wait a minute? Didn’t the vaccine industry claim that they took Thimerosal out of childhood vaccines? Yes, they claimed that – and they lied. They actually did just a show removal, taking Thimerosal out of only 3.48 percent of those vaccines – and all of that was in the US, attempting to mollify, and mislead, American parents of damaged children. About 104 million childhood vaccines are administered, worldwide, each year, and only about 4 million have a preservative other than Thimerosal.”

            I believe I mentioned the mumps vaccine caused an outbreak in New Jersey two years ago. Here’s an interesting take on that from Natural News:

            http://www.naturalnews.com/028142_mumps_vaccines.html#ixzz1Vq0X6wIu

            “The CDC also says that 2009 was a bad year for mumps outbreaks. They blame all the people who refuse to be vaccinated for causing these outbreaks. Their theory, of course, is based on the imaginary idea that mumps vaccines halt mumps infections. But once again, it’s all imaginary! As we saw this week in New Jersey, most of the people who get infected in these outbreaks are the very people who were vaccinated!”

            By the way, Chris, concerning my education, I’ll take my English degree over your “biology courses at your local community college” any day. Common sense would tell anyone to research a vaccine before giving it to their children, but you defy common sense. Needless to say I’m not impressed because your “education” doesn’t qualify you to judge anyone.

          • Ah, I see your link heavy posts appeared. As a general rule blogs really only allow two URL links per comment.

            Mr. Churchman, those are not scientific cites. Neither Mr. Bolen nor Mr. Adams have any scientific education. They have both been the subject of derision on several scientific blogs, and they qualify for Scopie’s Law.

            The ThinkTwice site has a habit of misrepresenting the data. So they wrote scary stuff that slightly related to reality, like claiming sucrose is bad. Yes, sugar is bad, but I do like a bit in my oatmeal (I like the brown version and I like to add bit of apple, and you know apples have to be bad because they have fructose… and yes, that is sarcasm). And no version of the MMR vaccine has ever contained thimerosal.

            The package inserts are written by lawyers. If you actually read them you will see that they take any reports. They are often not verified. It has nothing to do with the risks of the MMR vaccine versus measles, mumps and rubella. I have run out of URL links, but the real risk of death from measles is about one in a thousand, while the vaccine has a less than a one in a million chance of harm. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the CDC Pink Book… and actually read the chapters.

            When I ask for evidence, I expect it to be peer reviewed studies from real scientists (essentially primary sources). You can find many of them at the index of medical literature, PubMed. Though that is not a guarantee of quality, but is is better than Google.

            Again, this is a case where your lack of science education has backfired on you.

        • The biggest problem for your argument is that basically no one is over-vaccinated.

          Live (but weakened) viruses have advantages and disadvantages over dead viruses, there’s no conspiracy involved, just a cost-benefit analysis.

          • We’ve had this discussion. A child is required to get about 22 vaccines prior to starting public school (which I assume is at about age 6). On that basis, and with vaccinations continuing throughout all their lives, I’d say everyone is being over-vaccinated. Your opinion can be argued endlessly, but the people who win are the ones who remain healthy, and they will always disagree with opinions that vaccines would have been better for them. As far as any conspiracy is concerned, don’t think it was started by your family doctor. The original purpose of vaccines was quite honorable, but using them in the modern age has become diabolical. You’ll never make the connection until you research agenda 21. I can’t do it for you.

          • All right.

            If you think that is too many vaccines which ones do you think should be skipped and why do you think it is acceptable to skip those vaccines?

          • Actually, Anon, the history of the flu vaccines in particular really makes me uncomfortable. Most of the other vaccines didn’t start showing any problems until recent years (mumps, polio, etc.), but it seems to me that no one has ever come up with a truly safe flu vaccine, especially since three friends of mine were hospitalized because of the H1N1 vaccine over the last few years. We all know about the 1975 Swine Flu scare by which more people were hospitalized with Guillian Barre syndrome because of the vaccines than were affected by the actual disease, but most people don’t realize that even the Spanish Flu was propagated by vaccines.

            When I first looked into this last year, I could find only one reference to a vaccine connection to the Spanish Flu. Now there are pages full of them. If you want to peruse some of that info just google “1918 Spanish Flu caused by vaccines.” I was shocked at how much research has been done confirming Eleanora McBean’s findings. So in answer to your question, the vaccines which I have the most problem with are the flu vaccines. I have found holistic practitioners who have helped me more than my own doctor during the flu season, and I haven’t had the flu in many years.

          • So far most flu vaccines have been safer than the disease they protect against (and we’re making progress on it, the fact that it mutates makes it harder since we can’t just keep perfecting what we’ve got as we can with the other vaccines). The flu vaccines are also only a minority and so if those are the only ones you reject you’re still going to be giving ~20 vaccines to kids.

            On the Spanish flu:
            Did you ever consider if most of those pages full of information might have just been copied from the one dubious source?

            Also worth noting that holistic practitioners pretty much means quack (not having the flu in many years is in many cases just luck as well).

          • Anon, I’m surprised at you. You seemed to show more integrity in your other comments, but trying to suggest all those pages came from one “dubious source” is proof you never even looked at them. Further, calling holistic practitioners “quacks” is not only wrong (the term applies to nutcase doctors), it is vicious. I thought you might be the intelligent voice around here, but I guess I was wrong. There was no “luck” involved in my health. I worked hard for it, but I don’t take vaccines, and I can name countless others who feel the same way. If you weren’t so bent on vaccinating the whole world, you might learn something from them.

          • This is for anyone following the discussion who doesn’t know the 1918 Spanish Flu was caused by a vaccine:

            “In 1911, vaccinations were made compulsory for US Army troops and the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. Henry L Stimson, the US US Secretary of War, reported that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. He also reported 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of WW1.

            Unfortunately, these deaths did not result in vaccinations being stopped. Instead, more powerful vaccines were given to US troops. And so, in 1917, 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid vaccinations were admitted into army hospitals. The Irish Examiner reported at that time:
            ‘When army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid paratyphoid. But when they concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease – Spanish flu.’”

            http://www.flu-treatments.com/spanish-flu.html

            (This is only one of many links to the subject.)

          • You quoted:

            In 1911, vaccinations were made compulsory for US Army troops and the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. Henry L Stimson,

            Do you believe that there have been improvements in medical interventions, including the manufacturing and administration of vaccines in the past century?

            If not, please explain why you believe medical practices are identical to what they were in 1911. Thank you.

          • I was shocked at how much research has been done confirming Eleanora McBean’s findings.

            Thank you for finally remembering her name. Previously you used “M. McBean” and “Mary L. McBean” so there was no way I could find out who you were writing about. Oh, and please list that research for us that confirms Ms. McBean’s writings. The PubMed Index Numbers are sufficient.

            Now I know where the “vaccines caused Spanish Flu” bit originally came from. Of course it makes no more sense than when I first read it ten years ago from someone linking to an odd website with the claim that a vaccine for a bacterial infection caused a viral disease. Or that vaccination in US troops caused the influenza around the world, including far off places like Northern Norway, France and Africa. As Anon said, much of that misinformation is repeated on lots of various websites, so it is difficult to see the stories started.

            Just out of curiosity, are you getting much of your information from <a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scopie%27s_Law&quot;whale.to? And why do you believe the late Eleanora McBean and Eustice Mullins more than actual scientists? Why would Ms. McBean’s account of Spanish Flu be better than the books Flu! by Gina Kolata and The Great Influenza by John Barry?

            (both excellent books, you should read them with an open mind)

          • Well, Chris, since you’ve lightened up a bit, I can tell you that I do believe modern medicine has come a long way since 1918. Notice I haven’t blamed any doctors for anything (not even administering flu vaccines). They’re not to be blamed, and quite frankly, I admire my own doctor and the ones I used before him. They are good, honorable people, and I have no problem with their profession. This isn’t really about blame, but it is about agendas.

            Now here’s something you may surprised at, but my dentist took courses in anesthesiology along with additional studies in biology for his own development. He gave me a fascinating run down on bacteria and viruses. Did you know that viruses are so small that bacteria can actually be a host for them? And he’s not the only one who told me certain bacteria can actually carry certain viruses. Hulda Clarke even explained that in her book “The Cure for All Diseases.” Regardless that you’ll never read it, apparently the idea of a virus-carrying bacteria is somewhat accepted.

            But besides that, there are other ways a virus could easily be spread in a vaccine made for bacterial infections (just as if a needle wasn’t sterilized, etc.) The point is a viral disease did NOT necessarily come from a bacterial infection, but the vaccine used to kill a bacteria could definitely have carried a mutated virus. (And yes, my dentist is not quite a doctor, but I’m sure he’s taken all the courses you have taken.) Most doctors would likely never realize they’d cured one disease while creating another, so again, they are not to be blamed.

            Now if you read my prior comment more carefully, you’ll note that the Irish Examiner had posted that article about the Typhoid vaccine leading to the Spanish Flu. This was more commonly accepted than you might think because military deaths were occurring all around the world, and the worldwide death toll reportedly started with soldiers returning to their countries from the first world war. (I never said the vaccine was administered to everyone, but those who had the disease could certainly spread the virus.)

            To illustrate how this happens, a friend of mine who was an air force captain was vaccinated along with his wife (now an anti-vaxer). She recovered, but he is now permanently confined to a wheel chair for the rest of his life. Why were they vaccinated? Because the law required it (just like some ideas about “herd immunity”). So we know people in the military are always the first to be tested with new vaccines (especially since Clinton signed it into law during his administration). I pray for our people in uniform.

            Getting back to agendas, I think that’s part of what is happening with agenda 21, though it is hidden from the medical community by the people in power. To understand the reasoning for this agenda, certainly you should research it, but consider also that pharmaceuticals are the best vehicle by which they could implement such a plan. After all, drugs are the most lucrative industry behind banking and oil, and the same people who own the banks and the oil companies are major stock holders in the pharmaceutical industry. So if they decided to start altering our lifestyles by utilizing the banking industry to break the world’s economies (which they have), and they wanted to tear apart the middle east and central Asia for the oil (which they have), and as for the drugs…well, let’s just say they have many ways to keep us sedated. Vaccines are a large part of that agenda, but you’ll have to research it to find out the hows and whys.

            You don’t have to believe me if you don’t want to, and it doesn’t matter to me if you never research agenda 21. Do what you want. I also apologize for getting Eleanora’s name wrong, but let’s face it, you were going to debunk everything she said anyway. (You KNOW you were planning on it.) So what was the point? Frankly, I’m surprised I wrote so much in response to you, so please don’t ask me to cite McBean’s work. If you really cared about it, you’d do that for yourself, and we both know you won’t, so again, what’s the point?

            Chris, you can say whatever you want, but unless you research agenda 21, you will never know why the anti-vax movement is picking up steam. It’s not about vaccination. It’s about the fact the pharmaceutical industry has been hijacked and forced to serve an UNhealthy program (Emphasize the U.N. in unhealthy). There was never anything wrong with vaccines to begin with, but imagine what an evil vehicle they could become if someone decided immunizations should serve another purpose. Let’s leave it at that. Good luck if you should ever decide to pursue this line of research. You’ll be amazed at what you might find out.

          • Mr. Churchman, yes I do know that there are viruses that infect bacteria. They are called bacteriophages, and are not the same as influenza viruses. They have been extensively discussed on this blog its podcasts: http://www.virology.ws/

            And often what happens to diseases like influenza is that it makes a person susceptible to a secondary bacterial infection. This is why it was originally thought that the Spanish Flu was caused by what they called Pfeiffer’s bacillus. It was also called Bacillus influenzae, but is now known as Haemophilus influenzae. It is a bacteria with the name of “influenzae.”

            You are exposing your lack of education. It would do you well to learn to be wary of any person who claims to have a cure for ALL diseases. That is a claim that is commonly referred to as “too good to be true.”

            You really need to get out of conspiracy mode and learn about real science. It is much more interesting, and you would not get hoodwinked by purveyors of nonsense (like Hulda Clark who claimed to be able to cure all cancers but actually died from cancer).

            Please go sign up for a basic biology course, and go and find your local library. Actually start reading some real books on history and science, starting with the two on the 1918 influenza pandemic I mentioned: Flu! by Gina Kolata and The Great Influenza by John Barry.

          • Once again, Chris, you’ve proven you won’t listen to anyone. And in losing yourself to your obsession, you never addressed the other possibilities of how a mutated virus could occur from a vaccine intended to kill a bacteria…as if a vaccine could never contain both, or a virus could never grow alongside a bacteria. Considering how the H1N1 swine flu vaccine was proven to have spread the disease, anyone would think you’d be a little more attentive “for the sake of the children” whom you claim to love, but essentially, you’re telling us would vaccinate your whole family to death if given half the chance. So go your own way, little man. You’re not the authority you think you are, and the impression you’ve made here is really quite pathetic.

            For anyone else who is interested, Agenda 21 is quite real. It was adopted by the UN in 1992, and though it is political in nature, it intends to control medical practices and has already hijacked the pharmaceutical industry, thereby changing the focus of vaccines to a purpose no one will approve of. It is worth researching and learning about.

            Peace.

          • From the CDC’s own website:

            Measles Outbreak Among Vaccinated High School Students–Illinois

            http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm

          • Why are you posting the same thing multiple times?

            The infrequent occurrence of measles among highly vaccinated persons suggests that this outbreak may have resulted from chance clustering of otherwise randomly distributed vaccine failures in the community. That measles transmission can occur among vaccine failures makes it even more important to ensure persons are adequately vaccinated. Had there been a substantial number of unvaccinated or inadequately vaccinated students in the high school and the community, transmission in Sangamon County probably would have been sustained.

          • That incidence took place almost thirty years ago. It was one of the reasons for the addition of the second MMR vaccine in the pediatric schedule. First it was given when the child was around eleven years old, and that was reduced to about age four in the late 1990s.

            Yes, Mr. Churchman, those who do science will update and change when given evidence. Perhaps you should take that as a lesson and learn some science, especially on how evidence is created and evaluated.

            And as far as bacteriophages go, you have shown again that you do not understand the basics. In fact, you did not even understand the answer I gave you.

            Please, please, please endeavor to get an education. Pick up a basic book on biology, and actually read it. And please, please, please find your local library and read the two books I listed on the 1918 Influenza Pandemic.

            And really, do yourself a favor by taking a class at a community college. You really need to figure out how to evaluate information that is real versus idle speculation.

          • Chris, concerning my education, I’ll take my English degree over your “biology courses at your local community college” any day. Common sense would tell anyone to research a vaccine before giving it to their children, but you defy common sense. Needless to say I’m not impressed because your “education” doesn’t qualify you to judge anyone.

          • “Common Sense” tells us that this planet is flat, that the sun revolves around the sun and a big iron ball should fall faster than a small iron ball. Except none of those are true, and looking at the evidence and creating science is what changed those forms of “common sense” centuries ago.

            In order to “research” a vaccine you have to understand the basics of the science behind it. I know my limitations, but sadly you do not.

            You cannot keep bacteria and viruses straight, nor understand there is a great deal of difference between a bacteriophages (a very small virus, looks a bit like a lunar lander) and influenza viruses, and actually believe the writings of those who are quite detached from reality (Mullins, McBean and Diodati). This is evidence that you really need to work on some basics.

            Have you been to your library? Did you find either book on the 1918 influenza pandemic? Did you look for the biology book?

            (by the way, I took the biology course because it was missing from my engineering education, and it was fun… really, you should try learning some science!)

          • Here is another picture of a bacteriophage. ;-)

            (as you go through that silly website you’ll see there are lots of differences between the various microbes, which makes them interesting to read and learn about)

          • An English degree means basically nothing here (unless you took some science electives).

            I don’t think it much of a stretch to say that my physics degree (which likely included just as much biology as your English degree, i.e. none) is probably quite a bit more relevant (though I do actually understand the basics of biology at least somewhat along with the scientific method (which is very different (and far superior to) to lit crit)).

          • Click on this link for some easy reading on easy reading a main character in American medical education. He is a major character in the John Barry book I recommended (Mr. Churchman, have you actually asked your local library for that book?).

            And if Mr. Chuchman thinks that formal education stops when one is in their 20s, then read this from the above article:

            There’s something lovely about the fact that at age 81, with virtually all of his accomplishments behind him, his siblings dead and his wife in the grips of dementia, Flexner began to take classes at Columbia to keep his mind occupied and fight his loneliness. Regardless of where you rank him on some arbitrary list, that questing intelligence is a model everyone on Abraham Flexner Way and beyond could profit by emulating.

            Learning is something that should span a lifetime. Mr. Chuchman, prove that you have an open mind and are willing to learn. Visit your local library and find you local community college. There is much more than can be found at the University of Google.

          • I took science electives, dummy. Frankly I’m not impressed by either of you. Here’s something I tried to post last night, but it never got through. Oh yeah…the MMR vaccine. Silly me. How could I forget:

            http://www.thinktwice.com/mmr.htm

            How is the MMR vaccine made? (2011)
            According to the U.S. manufacturer, Merck & Company, Inc., the current MMR vaccine — MMR-II — contains attenuated live measles and mumps viruses propagated in chick embryo cell culture, plus “the Wistar RA 27/3 strain of live attenuated rubella virus propagated in WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts.”(1) Principal studies published in the American Journal of Diseases of Children and the American Journal of Epidemiology, reveal that the rubella strain was cultured from an aborted human fetus.(2,3) In addition, the growth medium for the three live viruses that are needed to produce the MMR vaccine is a buffered salt solution “supplemented with fetal bovine serum.”(4) Other ingredients include sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, recombinant human albumin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin stabilizer, and approximately 25 mcg of neomycin (an antibiotic).(5) The MMR vaccine does not contain a preservative. In fact, according to the FDA, MMR-II never contained thimerosal, a potentially dangerous chemical used in some vaccines.(6) However, trace amounts of mercury were detected in an earlier MMR formulation.(7)

            Is it safe?……..NAAAHHH!

            “The drug company that makes the MMR vaccine publishes an extensive list of warnings, contraindications, and adverse reactions associated with this triple shot. These may be found in the vaccine package insert available from any doctor giving MMR, and in the Physician’s Desk Reference (PDR) at the library.”

            This was written just 2 weeks ago:

            http://www.bolenreport.com/Geier/UN%20Mercury2.htm

            “Wait a minute? Didn’t the vaccine industry claim that they took Thimerosal out of childhood vaccines? Yes, they claimed that – and they lied. They actually did just a show removal, taking Thimerosal out of only 3.48 percent of those vaccines – and all of that was in the US, attempting to mollify, and mislead, American parents of damaged children. About 104 million childhood vaccines are administered, worldwide, each year, and only about 4 million have a preservative other than Thimerosal.”

            I believe I mentioned the mumps vaccine caused an outbreak in New Jersey two years ago. Here’s an interesting take on that from Natural News:

            http://www.naturalnews.com/028142_mumps_vaccines.html#ixzz1Vq0X6wIu

            “The CDC also says that 2009 was a bad year for mumps outbreaks. They blame all the people who refuse to be vaccinated for causing these outbreaks. Their theory, of course, is based on the imaginary idea that mumps vaccines halt mumps infections. But once again, it’s all imaginary! As we saw this week in New Jersey, most of the people who get infected in these outbreaks are the very people who were vaccinated!”

        • Right on Chuck Churchman. You’ve got your head screwed on right. Keep posting the truth.

          Those people who need to be poisoned in order to feel healthy deserve what they get. Too bad they have children.

          • Wow. It took you two whole years to think up that reply. That is just brilliant.

            Please do us a favor and provide the PubMed indexed study by a qualified researcher to provide the evidence for Mr. Churchman’s original claim:
            “The fact is vitamin D3 by itself has proven to kill many viruses, including the H1N1,”

            Thanks a bunch.

  2. You’re both so full of yourselves you can’t see the forest for the trees. (And I took science electives, dummy, until I graduated at 40.) I don’t care if you have a physics degree. When you act like a pompous jackass, you’re still not worth listening to. So why should I indulge either one of you?

    • Of course what degree a person has is far less relevant than whether they can back up their points, something you seem to have even more trouble with than merely lacking a science degree (it is possible to be self-taught and not crazy, especially at the relatively basic level this discussion has been at).

      • I use better sources than you do, but this system keeps saying my “comment is awaiting moderation.” Of course, you can be just like Chris and say my sources are all uneducated, but look how far it got him. Everyone else is wrong when you want to be right. Check out the links I just sent (if they ever post here), and let’s hear how well you dispute them. I’m dying to see the BS you both come up with. I do this for laughs, by the way, because this article is old news, and no one is reading these comments any more. Still, if you and Chris insist on a debate, all I can say is you’re wasting precious time. Agenda 21 is quite real and it’s being implemented in larger increments every day, but I guess this is your time to waste.

        • Your sources are people who don’t know what they are talking about, not to mention one person defending a child murderer along with sources which flatly contradict your position (e.g. you posting a very old source from the CDC to support your claim that people are overvaccinated which actually showed that at the time people were undervaccinated).

          As for Agenda 21, it’s mostly just a bunch of fluff from people who want to do good, a few parts of it may actually lead to an improvement but most of it’ll probably never actually happen or do much either way if it does. I don’t see any malice there (stupidity, sure (the UN certainly has a lot of that), but no attempt to kill everyone off).

          • You obviously have NOT looked into agenda 21. It was adopted by the UN in 1992, and the part concerning vaccines is based on Security Memorandum 200 by Henry Kissinger (1996). You can get a good overview in less than 10 minutes by watching this:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM&feature=channel_video_title

            If you then research the history of agenda 21, you’ll understand why the pharmaceutical companies can no longer be trusted as they’ve been hijacked for other purposes. This is a depopulation agenda which has been in place for centuries, but it was only begun in the last century when the population started nearing 5 billion people. Now it is moving at a feverish pace.

            Unfortunately, I won’t have time to continue this today, but I respect you both (regardless of how these arguments have gone), and I wish you both well. If nothing else, you are tenacious debaters, and I have enjoyed reading your posts. Have a pleasant day.

          • Mr. Churchman, thank you for your kind words. Though I must respond when you say:

            This is a depopulation agenda which has been in place for centuries, but it was only begun in the last century when the population started nearing 5 billion people.

            The world population hit one billion around 1800, and two billion in 1927. We are now approaching seven billion, and this is a cause for concern.

            If you had done some comparative literature reading from previous centuries you would have known that large families were normal, and it was quite common to have several children die before adulthood. Mary Shelley, the author of Frankenstein, was influenced by the deaths of her children (only one survived to adulthood).

            The real fact there is no “depopulation” agenda. There is a trend that when populations are healthier and the chances of a child actually growing up increases: family sizes are smaller.

            (when you go to the library, look for the January 2011 issue of National Geographic, there is a very good explanation of the issues, I also found the print form to be more clear than the online version)

            Look at the history of families in the USA. When our parents were growing up it was common to have several siblings, but now it is unusual for a family to have at least four children. My grandmother was from a family of five kids, only three made it to adulthood. My father was from a family of four kids, and three made it to adulthood. I’m from a family of three kids, and we averaged two kids and none of our children have died.

            This is the point of promoting several health
            initiatives is good for children, and our planet. Think about it: you only have a certain amount of funds to pay for food, shelter, etc, so you try to make sure it gets used appropriately. If you run out at the end of the month, then you need to cut back. I know that we could not support having a nine children in our house.

            Well, there are just so many acres of arable land, a certain amount of usable water and other resources on this planet. It may not be able to support nine billion hungry and thirsty human beings.

            There are some very good instructive videos of the statistics by Hans Rosling. They are very entertaining, and are backed by real statistics.

          • Chris, I studied Malthusian theory when I was in high school. I also know about the large-family mentality of prior centuries. We reached 5 billion people in the 80s which is when these mandates kicked in, but denying their existence won’t make them go away. If you want to take issue with my take on it, fine, but do that AFTER you watch the short video. At least then you’ll know it really is about population reduction. You won’t have to take even 10 minutes of your time for this. I’ll try to check back to see if you have anything to say about it, but I’m short on time today, so please don’t call me back here if you haven’t watched it.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM&feature=channel_video_title

          • I watched the video, a bunch of talking heads (mostly unidentified) with flashes of stills, without one shred of evidence (no references to the actual documentation). It has nothing to do with reality. If the Agenda 21 was created about twenty years ago, where is the concrete proof it is caused those dire consequences today? And why should I take seriously any video that morphs a person’s face and voice to the Borg?

            If you wish to support that video, then point out exactly in this document where those claims are written. List the claim, and then the page number that shows the claim is valid. In fact, do not make any claim about what Agenda 21 says without referencing the actual document.

            Again, this is where your lack of science education is showing. You are having trouble identifying claims that are not supported by evidence.

          • Hooo boy. I can see you’re on a roll today. But I thank you for watching the video. I don’t know if the public can even download that document, but I will try. That’s the best I can do for now, but seriously, I do appreciate that you took the time to at least watch the video. I hope Anon will do the same. I’ll get back to you with whatever research I can find that may suit your inquiry. Do you hear that Chris? I WILL TRY. Thanks again.

          • Yes, it was a simple search to find the actual document, and it is available to everyone.

            In our discussions, Mr. Churchman, we have explained that we cannot accept statements without the evidence backing them up. Usually we say if you make a claim you need to back them up, which is why we are not convinced by the video.

            Though I am very thankful that you will be digging up that evidence from the actual document. I hope it goes well for you. To help you out, here is the table of contents with links to each part:
            http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

            I think it is all pie in the sky daydreaming, and carries absolutely no weight in the real world. But that is just my opinion.

          • Claiming that vaccines are aimed at depopulation has real world consequences as seen in Nigeria where unfounded fears that the polio vaccine was an attempt at sterilisation caused the disease (which was being eradicated) to come back and cause some depopulating of its own.

            It should also be noted that Malthus was wrong and has been very consistently shown to be wrong throughout history, the main problem he had was that he didn’t take account of technological advances increase the carrying capacity of the land faster than population grew (and given that we’re in the infancy with genetic engineering we have good reason to believe that we could feed a lot more people than we do right now (and even today we make enough food to feed everyone on the planet, just that sometimes we have trouble actually getting it to those who need food)).

            In fact the main concern for agriculture in the future isn’t going to be feeding everyone, but reducing the environmental impact of food production (which for the most part means embracing technology to push crop yields as high as we can so that we can make more food from less land).

        • You accused us of being lazy and not reading your source, while you refuse to go to your local library and read some real history of the 1918 influenza pandemic. Each of those books will explain in great detail why Ms. McBean’s contentions are not even remotely possible (which I have encountered before, so it was new to me, you just provided a name).

          Mr. Churchman, show us that you can do the work you claim we are not doing: go to you library and check out the Flu! by Gina Kolata and The Great Influenza by John Barry. Read them with an open mind.

          Until then, you have given us no reason to believe you.

          • First of all, none of what you’ve heard or read is “fluff.” Also, Malthus was correct in his theory that population growth is geometric (not arithmetic). This has been proven recently since our population circa 1985 was about 5 billion people, and it has jumped to 7 billion people in less than 30 years. That old excuse Anon brought up about Malthus not taking into account advances in technology has been debunked many times. What he doesn’t understand is the people who wrote Agenda 21 SUPPORT Malthus. On the other hand, I do NOT.

            Now concerning what you think is pie in the sky, you might want to google “ICLEI” along with the name of the city you live in. ICLEI is an acronym for International Council on Local Environmental Inititiatives (or something similar–you’ll figure it out.) That is Agenda 21 being implemented in your neighborhood. (It’s even included in the text of the agenda.) ICLEI has been growing in this country for many years, and it is the UN’s way of reaching into your life and ignoring the constitution. It gives the WHO and other UN organization precedence over any local laws our state might embrace.

            How do I know this? I’m helping to fight an ICLEI case now because the program was implemented 17 years ago in CO (where I live), and it has pushed through a new legal system which undermines our constitution. I can’t go into specifics (it doesn’t concern vaccines anyway), but I can tell you the UN is gaining control over every facet of our lives. Check out the land grab offered to China and other countries under “eminent domain.” Or you can just look at the excerpts from Agenda 21 I’ve posted below.

            Now here’s the kicker: Under the auspices of the W.H.O., 39 states have adopted MSEHPA (Model State Emergency Health Powers Act) which essentially gives each state the right to force-vaccinate their entire populations. That is a UN controlled agenda. It isn’t mentioned specifically in the Agenda 21 text, but its origins are quite clear in the MSEHPA text. Many such programs are being developed and implemented under ICLEI, which is nation wide.

            Chapter 5 is about population movement. The “reduction” part shows up in other documents related to Agenda 21, but not necessarily within actual text. (Of course they keep it hidden and subtle.). Security Memorandum 200 is one such document. I have read it completely, though it’s been a while. This evening I read chapters 1 through 7 of Agenda 21, and I can tell you the individual (offshoot) agendas are where you’ll find the nasty truth.

            Security Memorandum 200 is just an example, but you might want to look at MSEHPA first. When you read the text of each, you can see their connections to Agenda 21. We can discuss this more, but I need sleep, and there isn’t room in these columns to post everything. Suffice it to say we have more work to do:

            5.42. Population programmes are more effective when implemented together with appropriate crosssectoral
            policies. To attain sustainability at the local level, a new framework is needed that integrates
            demographic trends and factors with such factors as ecosystem health, technology and human
            settlements, and with socio-economic structures and access to resources. Population programmes
            should be consistent with socio-economic and environmental planning. Integrated sustainable
            development programmes should closely correlate action on demographic trends and factors with
            resource management activities and development goals that meet the needs of the people concerned.
            Objective
            5.43. Population programmes should be implemented along with natural resource management and
            development programmes at the local level that will ensure sustainable use of natural resources,
            improve the quality of life of the people and enhance environmental quality.

          • I gave you a link to the Agenda 21 document, it would have been courteous of you to provide a link to the document you are now referring to. I believe it is disingenuous of you to switch to another document.

            Please prove you point by providing the paragraph and direct quote from only here:
            http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

            Please do not try to get out of providing evidence with phrases like “I can’t go into specifics (…), but I can tell you the UN is gaining control over every facet of our lives.”

          • Actually, now that I think about it: Mr. Churchman you have strayed way past the subject of this article.

            While presenting various conspiracy theories as to the efficacy and safety of vaccines is not real evidence, it would be on topic.

            I think you should take your ideas about “Agenda 21″, etc to the following platform. There you will find several who are more educated on the subject, and willing to discuss them with you. It is a highly moderated forum so the discussions are mostly even handed:
            http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=91

          • Chris: I used your link. After reading part of it I found a larger print version of Agenda 21 which is from where I posted the excerpt from chapter 5 above. Here’s the link:

            http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/agenda21/english/Agenda21.pdf

            This is not interactive like your link is, but I read several of the partnerships using your links, and I found it was a strain on my eyes. In case you didn’t see them, you can view the various ways businesses have found to interact with 3rd world countries, essentially being hired by the UN to improve conditions, etc. Unfortunately, there was nothing on vaccines there, so I had to go through related links for chapter 6.

            As far as ICLEI is concerned, it is mentioned in both versions of the document, but I don’t know what city you live in, so I can’t tell you how far into recreating your state’s government the program has been implemented. That’s why I said google (for example) ICLEI San Jose, or ICLEI California.

            I’m not being evasive. All of these documents are connected, but the only ones I know which are specific to vaccines are MSEHPA (Model State Emergency Health Powers Act) and Security Memorandum 200 (written in 1976).

            Now to be fair, when I said a bacteria can carry a virus, you came back with:

            “Have you been to your library? Did you find either book on the 1918 influenza pandemic? Did you look for the biology book?”

            Chris, I sent you links, but to expect me to go to a library and read entire books to back up your claim about bacteriophages, etc. on my schedule is just to much to ask. If you posted links to the pertinent information I would read them, however. But let’s face it, tracking down any of this information is extremely time consuming.

            Also, concerning our digression from the topic at hand, we’ve never even discussed the title of this page (Mortality Rates) which is fine because no one is here reading our discussions anyway. I have no problem that no one else is following this. If you don’t want to continue, say so, but I am glad you found the Agenda 21 text because I’ve been learning about it through the ICLEI stuff happening in my own state. It’s much better to go to the source, obviously (or at least to have it for a reference).

            So there it is. We can continue or not. It’s up to you. I will continue to read the entire text of this, and I hope you will look into ICLEI and how it affect you in your state. If you want to discuss it, just post something here. Proving our respective points about vaccines is not as important to me as making the point that pharmaceutical companies are also being influenced by other agendas, just like every state in every country. They’re owned by the same people who created and funded the World Health Organization. That is not proof enough, I agree, to satisfy your demands, but it should be food for thought. The kind of proof you want is hard to come by, but I am certainly willing to continue looking for it. That’s the best I can do.

          • Just a brief addendum. Yes, I appreciate that you downloaded “Murder by Injection.” I thought about it and I realized I never sent you a link for that either. So please just know that we can overwhelm each other with research, but my priority right now is more local concerning ICLEI. If you have more time on your hands, you can look for info on how that affects you in your state, but I have no expectations of you. Whatever works.

          • I’m sorry you have still not answered in regards to exact paragraph to support any claim about Agenda 21.

            And I mentioned the books in relation the 1918 influenza pandemic, not bacteriaphages. For those I gave you multiple online links (they are not the influenza viruses which were sequenced from samples taken from victims, it is a really interesting story — sorry you are not interested).

            I thought you would like the Giant Microbes.

            Unless you have actual evidence that the vaccines are worse than the diseases then please go to http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=91 . The folks there would be much more interested in your ideas.

          • In the future, Mr, Churchman, you should not warn us about dire consequences unless you have actually read the primary source material. I have actually read every resource I sent your way.

            This whole section is for the prevention of disease (by the way you can increase text size in certain browsers, or just lower the resolution on your monitor… or use reading glasses):
            http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_06.shtml

            Let’s see what it says. Paragraph 6.12 proposes to reduce blindness from guinea worm, control river blindness, reduce measles and other diseases. Sometime with vaccines, sometimes with other measures (guinea worm is controlled by filtering drinking water).

            So explain to us why that is a bad thing.

            I recently listened to a podcast featuring someone who researches those problems. Perhaps you should tell us why Dr. Hotez is so evil for battling river blindness, hookworm and other neglected tropical diseases.

            And one reason I think it is all pie in the sky daydreaming is that there is really very little funding for what they want to do. Especially in regards to neglected tropical diseases. Obviously poor people in remote countries aren’t a real big priority.

            I looked up the “ICLEI” for my city. Do you know what it said? It said that they need donations, and are pretty much dead in the water without funding. Wow. If it scares you so much, don’t send them any money.

          • Chris, there’s no place in America that hasn’t been influenced by ICLEI, but if you think I’m wrong, then by all means send them a donation. They have taken over the state of Colorado. And by the way, I’ve already read chapter 6. It had nothing to do with vaccines, so I didn’t bother to quote anything from it. The interactive abilities of the page you sent did not impress me because that’s more about commercial ventures supported by the UN. That chapter doesn’t even mention the WHO, so why would it interest me?

            You’re the one who brought up the “Borg,” so maybe you’d prefer sci-fi, but ICLEI and Agenda 21 are real. And I only said to research them, not to expect someone to come out and tell you the Rockefellers are using the WHO as a vehicle to kill you. Since you’ve already mentioned you know about the recreation of the 1918 Spanish Flu (“sequenced from samples taken from victims”), which could only have come from the CDC’s website, think about why they would do such a thing? Bioweapons are a possibility, but look at all the new viruses we’re seeing around the world. Do you think they’re all naturally occurring…like SARS which supposedly created itself, but it only killed Chinese people? Over 200 Americans contracted that disease, but only Asians and a few Africans died from it. But hey, that’s no better than the H1N1 “pandemic” which killed even more people in ’09…after Novartis pulled the vaccine off the shelf in Mexican drug stores so they wouldn’t get caught holding the bag. Remember that one? Here’s the link:

            http://www.openureyes.org.nz/blog/?q=node/1917

            So the question is not why do I believe these agendas are working to reduce our numbers. The question is, when the Hell are you gonna figure out that they really are?

          • Never mind that geometric growth of population is simple mathematics, something predicted long before Malthus.

            His prediction instead was that food production wouldn’t grow geometrically (because he didn’t think technology would be able to provide enough of an increase in productivity), or even at a rate which keeps up with population growth and that prediction has been found to be false (that’s also the prediction the Malthusians believe in).

          • I’ve already said I don’t support Malthus, but my point was exponential population growth is being challenged by people who are implementing his theories (propagating war, famine, and disease). Monsanto is going out of its way to dominate our food and lessen its nutritional value, the WHO is trying to change laws throughout the world to reflect its policies on vaccines, and the banks are trying to collapse our economy so we can’t even buy food. All of this is going on in Malthus’s name. All I said was he was right about geometric population growth, but I’ll be damned if I support his followers who want to kill us. If it’s still available on the internet, check out The World According to Monsanto. I just saw it the other night, and I was pretty impressed.

          • Monsanto are just providing farmers with better tools with which to create food (that’s how they stay in business you see), they aren’t doing anything to reduce the nutritional value of the food they produce (but roundup ready certainly does give farmers additional options if pests start eating their crop, of course the patents are due to expire soon).

            Besides, no one is forced to grow genetically modified crops (farmers grow them because they are better in at least one aspect). Of course there are problems with regulations being too stringent making it hard for smaller companies to bring genetically modified foods to market but that has more to do with market protection than any want for mass murder.

            As for the WHO encouraging vaccination, we’re only going to be able to eradicate diseases if every country signs on board so it’s pretty much required that every country undertake vaccination schemes (among other things of course).

            Most of the problems with banks comes more from incompetence than malice and what malice there is there is not aimed at mass murder, but just making money at the expense of other people.

            The fact is that you do not seem capable of using Hanlon’s razor (not that that’s all your problem, but it looks like part of it).

          • Anon, I have to end this because I can’t stop laughing. You’re nuts!

            “Monsanto are just providing farmers with better tools with which to create food (that’s how they stay in business you see), they aren’t doing anything to reduce the nutritional value of the food they produce…”

            Are you really that ignorant about Monsanto? Their goal is to put REAL farmers out of business so everyone must buy their GMO poison. That’s why over 270,000 real farmers are suing them:

            http://yourtubenews.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=3181219%3ATopic%3A233591&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic

            The WHO is Rockefeller created and funded, and David Rockefeller has already come out and said he is a staunch depopulationist. (Just
            google: “David Rockefeller quotes I stand guilty” and you can see him on video saying it.) The purpose of the WHO is purely about political control of our medicine. And as far as the banks are concerned, incompetence is not their problem; excessive greed is (also a Rockefeller / Rothschild trait).

            Gee, Anon, you must be one of those people who actually believes NIST told the truth about 9-11, or that we went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq to fight Al Qaida (American owned and operated, btw–just look who we sent to Libya). Of course the oil profits have been enormous since American oil companies have been selling Iraqi oil to China. (And of course we’ll never see a drop of that oil.) The oil barons figured out long ago they could make more money by selling foreign oil than our own. (We import ours from Canada and Mexico.)

            The truth is that after reading your comment (and laughing myself sick), I think we need to stop, Anon. You’re just too much, LOL. I mean, you’ve gotta be kidding with this “Trust your government” BS. No one in his right mind could be that far removed from reality, HAHAHA! Gimme a break. You can respond if you want, but I’m done. My God, I can’t possibly bring you up to speed when you’re this far gone, LOLOLOLOL! But thanks for the humor. At least I started my day off with a good laugh.

            Peace brother Anon. May your oblivious nature turn into spiritual bliss…

            (And there but for the grace of God go I…LOL!)

          • Anon, you have a physics background, right? Check this out. It’s something you can relate to posted by Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth (over 11,000 of them):

            http://yourtubenews.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=3181219%3ATopic%3A233933&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic

            Sorry I’ve been so demeaning lately, but Anon, you have got to be kidding…You really must have no idea where you’re at if you believe Monsanto has any good intentions for humanity. Google Dr. Rima Laibow on codex alimentarius to learn about Monsanto. It’s only a start, but you’ve gotta start soon. No joke!

          • Okay, okay, Chris. I hear you. If I may quote Christopher Lloyd:

            “But we had fun, right?”

            Peace and blessing to you all.

          • Anyone who can claim that the terrorist attacks on 9/11/01 (US middle endian date style) was an inside job is so far removed from reality that they probably aren’t worth bothering with (especially if they also believe a large number of other nonsensical conspiracy theories).

          • Heh heh, I knew that would create a stir. Just google Bldg. #7 and watch any video on how it fell. I’d love to see you get around that one, Anon, LOL.

          • No, it caused laughter. Ever watch a blacksmith?

            http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=91

        • A couple of your comments had indeed gone to moderation (due to multiple links I assume) and they have been approved and are posted.

          • Thank you. I hope you don’t mind how off topic we are, but if you read some of the comments you might actually find them amusing. (Chris is such a glutton for punishment, LOL.) We really mean no harm, but if it get’s too far out of hand, I’ll try to convince Chris to send me an email address so I can harass him without driving everyone else nuts.

          • Just a few points; there’s no single compound in any vaccine which would be considered toxic to human life (child or adult) and health at that dosage. The dosage makes the poison. Any substance when administered in excess can be toxic. Drink 2 gallons of water in a half hour and see where it gets you.

            GMO foods do have the potential to provide food to millions who are starving; however we cannot afford to lose the ‘natural’ genetic pool of our grains and vegetables, nor can we allow corporations such as Monsanto to sue other farms if their crops cross pollinate. It’s their job to ensure their product doesn’t ‘self distribute’ if they don’t wish it to.

          • Seedbanks can keep the genetic material of our grains (among others) on record (as does anyone who decides, for whatever reason not to grow genetically modified crops) so I don’t see any such problems.

            I also don’t know of any cases of Monsanto actually suing anyone because of accidental cross pollination (the one attention whore they did sue probably got the roundup ready crop by taking it from a neighbour who used it, then he went and deliberately planted it (of course there isn’t any evidence as to how it got there and the court did indicate that they’d likely have ruled differently if he hadn’t specifically tried to grow the roundup ready crops he didn’t have a licence for)).

            Approval for GMOs does require some degree of demonstration that it won’t take over an ecosystem (and terminator genes would also be very effective at preventing self-pollination).

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  7. As this article is years old I doubt that anyone will see this and respond. I am going to comment anyway.

    Mr. Churchman your nearly total lack of even a basic level of knowledge in biology or is very obvious. Here is a helpful tip for you:

    Make an effort to actually study things for yourself. Make an effort to understand the scientific method. You are basing all of your arguments on other peoples arguments without any real knowledge or understanding of your own. What is even worse is the fact that all of “research” you cite is totally useless as the “research” has been done by psuedo science hacks who, for the most part, have no scientic education or training. You, of course, believe them as you have no scientific background either and you apparently refuse to do anything that might enlighten you a bit. You can’t argue or debate about something in an effective manner unless you study and understand both sides of the debate, you obviously have not.

    In closing, you seemed to deride the fact that chris has only taken some science courses and therfore he does not have the needed knowledge to refute the “research” that you cite.

    I have both an undergraduate and a graduate degree in biology. The sources you cite have no scientific merit, none. The people involved with the sources you cite are obviously not scientists and have, at best, a high school understanding of vaccines, viruses and disease in general.

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