Of course, all you have to do is provide the actual evidence that the vaccines cause more neurological damage than the diseases with actual factual studies indexed on PubMed. Do tell us exactly how the MMR causes more damage than measles, which causes real encephalitis once out of every thousand cases of measles.

Just give us the real data. And that does not mean raw VAERS reports. One step would be to tell us the PubMed indexed study dating before 1990 that alerted Andrew Wakefield to an issue with the MMR vaccine after it was approved in the USA in 1971. Surely he had something other than wads of UK taxpayer funds promised to him by Richard Barr to support lawsuits against one of the three MMR vaccines licensed in the UK in 1988. Come on, give us the actual data to make us believe it was something other than the over half a million equivalent in American dollars that Wakefield was paid.

kill babies to make more room for other babies, yeah sure sounds warm hearted!

I have a vaccine injured son.

I am sorry to hear this. Unfortunately it does happen, usually at about one in a million doses.

The vaccines are still much safer than the diseases. If your children have an immunity issues that does not allow them to become vaccinated, you need to encourage any who come near your children to get their vaccines. That way your children are protected through community immunity.

When my son was a baby only got DT instead of the DTP because of a history of seizures. Because he was not protected from pertussis at a time when our county was having a pertussis outbreak (thanks Barbara Loe Fisher!), I asked about the vaccine status of all the children he came into contact with. He depended on the other children not being infectious.

Fact is that you are more likely die from following the advise of those who prattle on about big pharma being evil than from being a customer of big pharma (which is hardly perfect itself).

And the MMR vaccine is still on the market after over forty years. It seems to work, and it is much safer than actually getting measles.

So why can’t others see this middle ground? I’d far rather a day or three of fevers from vaccine, than a lifetime of illness, death, or my illness causing another’s death.

For one thing, vaccines are not to “heal”, they are to prevent an illness. Learn the difference. If you are making a claim that the reason vaccines exist are to only make money, they you need to provide the verifiable evidence that it is cheaper to treat the diseases instead of preventing them.

At the present there is a measles outbreak in Wales with almost a thousand cases. More than eighty of those cases have required hospital treatment, almost one in ten. Measles is so contagious that without the MMR vaccine every child would get it, and about one in ten would require hospital care (most common reason is for pneumonia from measles, each day in a hospital is thousands of dollars).

Now tell us how providing each child two doses of an MMR vaccine is more costly than treating one out of ten in the hospital. Here are some examples of the kind of citations we expect in your answer:

Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2005;159:1136-1144.
Economic Evaluation of the 7-Vaccine Routine Childhood Immunization Schedule in the United States, 2001

J Infect Dis. 2004 May 1;189 Suppl 1:S131-45.
An economic analysis of the current universal 2-dose measles-mumps-rubella vaccination program in the United States.

West J Med. 1996 Jul-Aug;165(1-2):20-5.
Pediatric hospital admissions for measles. Lessons from the 1990 epidemic.

The last one includes the cost to the state of California’s taxpayer supported health care system for low income residents: “The average hospital admission cost was $8,201, and the average length of hospital stay was 4.6 days. Hospital costs amounted to $18 million, two thirds of which was paid for by Medi-Cal.”

Now, Andy, explain to us exactly how not vaccinating will save money with actual verifiable citations, not random “google searches.”

There is no ‘healing’ these days, its just dose after dose of legal drugs without ever seeking deeper reasons to why someone is sick (like looking into their lifestyle / stress etc). Their reasons follows: Sick person –> consult Dr, confirms from Dr who consults another Dr and in circles they go –> giving drugs and more drugs is ever the only answer. Then they kick them out before they are ready (well).

Just google this: glaxosmithkline sued about drug safety and you will learn of the lies they preached to the masses. unsafe drugs, failed tested drugs etc…

People have stopped thinking for themselves. They simply believe in the Dr’s and pharmacies as ‘loving’ caring etc people with no agenda. ($$$$$$$$$$$) then make billions. This of course is becasue people simply remember the ‘good ole days’ when pharmacies build real drugs from real plants and herbs, and Dr’s really wanted to help, not just fill their pockets.

Of coarse there are very good Dr’s still. people just need to think for themselves, instead of being told what to think (even for medical staff –think think think, test everything you study! reason with it, judge it.. think think think.)

In the end, people must make up their own minds, as its the parents who have to live with the decision they make!